05-28-2012 Tweetchat Compilation

Our second conversation, as is true for most things, decreased in the number of participants but increased in the participation of the participants. We had 112 participants sent 742 updates via the hashtag #dreamumc in our hour conversation, a decrease from last time’s 171 participants sending 1,272 updates. But this time, we had fewer people who wrote just one line or update and lots of big-time involvers. It is exciting to see new people, but also to see people get more comfortable conversing in social media. Awesome!

 

For our second Tweetup, we had four questions for the participants:

  • Q1: What’s one thing you’d like your conference to know or do in response to #gc2012?
  • Q2: What or who do you need as resources to make this (your answer to Q1) happen/convey this message?
  • Q3: How are you going to connect with other people (not just young adults or twitter users!) to carry on conversation and work?
  • Q4: Where do you see opportunity for lasting change/action within your annual conference (the body, not the mtg) & beyond?

Here’s the responses. We compiled only the ones that used the appropriate “Q” tag as those were the easiest to compile and, hey, we are volunteers here!

 

Q1: What’s one thing you’d like your conference to know or do in response to #gc2012?

  • I think we need to start practicing at the AC level what we would like to see lived-out at the GC level.
  •  nothing prevents us from giving more emphasis to the ways that we are missional. let’s focus on energizing rather than lament
  • begin to address radical lack of trust & climate of fear that was undercurrent of GC. Can begin to eliminate at AC level.
  • Do not feel that the conversation at GC has to set the agenda or tone for AC.
  • Even in disagreement, there were well-spoken people on both sides (only a few who wanted to hurt and not offer healing)  #dac12
  • Figure out that counting things doesn’t always get at what really counts.
  • Foster a SINCERE attempt at Holy conferencing.
  • –help people understand the importance of the global nature/connection of UMC so they are not skeptical about the “big” church
  • I want us to start thinking intentionally about how clergy couples function in our AC as it relates to no security of appt
  • I’d like us to realize that disagreement doesn’t mean I don’t hear you, and to realize that we’re all on the same team
  • move forward with hope and forget about the negativity of GC
  • Take AC seriously. the more local the mtg, the more potential for meaningful change.
  • that we can reach beyond our conference line to network
  • there are lots of ways to do conferencing without Roberts RO — look at Quakers, Amish
  • think real hard before using the words them and us  so you don’t divide while trying to include
  • Pastoral response from the Bishop. @DreamUMC
  • Start to build real relationships with UMs from Central Cofnerences/Create sister confernece or something similar.
  • to passionately do two things: evangelizing those who don’t know Christ as Savior & Lord and work for/with poor and oppressed!
  •  I would like us to do as a conference what we feel God calls us to do, without worrying about consequences, cost to our power
  • Actually allow time for Holy Conferencing.
  • AK Conference did it! Restructured AC and moved $$ from admin to leadership development – esp for laity.
  • All presentations must be in the form of a flash mob. Q2: we’ll need a house beat, a strobe light, and a week to practice
  • also, let’s be realistic but stop rhetoric of crisis. Focus on what God is doing, focus on mission.
  • be in ministry WITH all people, not just acquiring those in desired demographics.
  • be more connected with local congregations, and less of the episcopal staff.
  • build authentic relationships with diverse persons across the conference, then build from there
  • building the church that has something to offer young people, people of color, and all marginalized people.
  • Building up young lay people as church leaders is equally as, if not more, important as young clergy
  • clarify the actions taken that will move us forward in making disciples of Jesus
  • Continue to encourage young people to take positions of leadership in their local churches & in the Annual Conference #umcnic
  • Discover what holy conferencing means locally so it can be practiced generally; its not necessarily MY definition of h. c.
  • Educate and embrace real ways to connect with Boards and Agencies
  • Emphasize real, supportive, and accountable relationship as opposed to forced, financial relationships.
  • Empower the dreamers! And encourage those not already doing to dream BIG!
  • Find way to build relationships across the confernece. Lack of trust=lack of relationship. Start local&build global.@DreamUMC
  • Have open conversations at #umcnic about what happened at #gc2012 & how to communicate that to local churches
  • holy conferencing on the tougher issues and take stances that follow God & welcome all even if not welcome by main stream
  • Honesty and fearlessness. We’ve seen the need for change, its time to open our doors and help us see beyond ourselves!
  • how will we strengthen of younger generations when we continue to preserve the past
  • I feel like there is a communication breakdown between the AC and the church. Thus creating & adding distrust & *disfunction.
  • I feel like there is a communication breakdown between the AC and the church. Thus creating and adding distrust/distinction.
  • I think the Annual Conference must decide whether they are a service provider or a connection builder. Different tasks.
  • I want my AC to follow the bright spots a la Switch by the @heathbrothers
  • I want my AC to not treat minorities the way GC treated the Central Conferences
  • I would like the conference to make a statement in support of full-inclusion. And work harder to reach minorities
  • I would like to see my conference more organized around passions and not around structures that have not worked in years
  • I’d like #umcnic to continue planting churches that are inclusive and be committed to revitalizing churches
  • Incremental change is slow & often loses momentum. But the more we change, the better we become at changing. Shake things up.
  • invest in youth ministry and campus ministry, and be start listening to the voices of all people
  • It was NOT a “nothing happened, nothing changed” conference. This conversation and those like it are signs of a new thing
  • Learn how to negotiate living with difference bring in people that help us do holy listening rather than holy talking.
  • looking at how we might be able to use the now-lack-of-guaranteed-appointment in constructive rather than destructive ways
  • Main lesson from #gc2012 was the importance of mission over structure, we need to love & get moving, stop fighting over scraps
  • Many frustrating moments at GC were the result of a lot a rhetoric and fear-mongering. Realize this and work to change it!
  • positively look forward on how we can improve, intentional give voice & listen to those in the margins
  • Start training young adults on the AC level for a lifetime of service to the national church through general conference.
  • stop trying to keep “the church” alive and focus on BEING The Church even if that means old ways falling away.
  • The personality and example of AC does not need to be restricted by actions and reports from GC
  • To be more proactive in refusing to be silent on issues that matter and for us to engage in respectful dialogue.
  • To initiate conference wide gatherings with young adults who can give uncensored thoughts
  • To work to do ministry with the use of more social media, and not just by the select few representatives of the conference!
  • want AC to reach out to the boards and agencies and say, “We value you — how can you help us?”
  • What’s one thing you’d like your conference to know or do in response to #gc2012?
  • yes to holy conferencing. no more secret meetings behind doors. no more unilateral decisions made by the few.
  • yes to holy conferencing. no more secret meetings behind doors. no more unilateral decisions made by the few.
  • Young people really do matter. And we need to continue seeking to hear all voices!
  • I don’t need #wvumc to do anything in response to #gc2012. I just need it to do better caring for the poorest among us.

Q2: What or who do you need as resources to make this (your answer to Q1) happen/convey this message?

  • 570 public witness events in 3 yrs, 200 each yr, 1 event every 42 hrs, UM local churches in mission  http://www.umc-gbcs.org/atf/cf/%7B689fea4c-8849-4c05-a89e-c9bc7ffff64c%7D/IMMIGRATION%20JOURNAL%20SPRING%202012.PDF
  • AC level Holy Conferencing needs to be taught by people trained in communication and conflict resolution.
  • Give young laity opportunities for leadership AND let them lead
  • Having to have endless discussions about what we should do probably means we aren’t doing what we need to do
  • I think it’s up to me to be a bridge between boomers and young adults
  • I’m afraid these ideas would have to be dictated from above before some AC’s would change. Some seem to like the statue quo.
  • intentional listening. We talk over each other too often.
  • need people to teach UMC polity and doctrine in the local church
  • not about current leaders, develop new leaders from grass roots to help us network
  • Not waiting for other resources, I am organizing a  lunch at our ac
  • only resources needed 2 me r Scripture & willing hearts. Need to ensure our next generation of leaders is Biblically grounded
  • somewhere we forgot about our calling 2 ministry & got busy trying 2 “climb the ladder.” We need 2 be reminded why we are here.
  • this gives an example of boards and local churches working together, serving immigrants, making an impact  http://www.umc-gbcs.org/atf/cf/%7B689fea4c-8849-4c05-a89e-c9bc7ffff64c%7D/IMMIGRATION%20JOURNAL%20SPRING%202012.PDF
  • We will have to follow the prompting of the Holy Spirit and that will conflict with the BOD
  •  work with different groups in the conference, have open discussion about issues, and move together to bring changes
  • Don’t let people from the same church sit next to eachother. Assigned seating. @DreamUMC
  • Spend less time voting and more time listening one on one and in small groups.
  • The resources we need are the strength,commitment, and fortitude to keep talking and acting with love
  • great community of recent ordinands in IN, using our connections to be acctbl for evangelization & justice in locl congregatns
  • (I’ve done several trainings on young adults already!) #umcnic
  • …and to put the mission of connecting with people authentically ahead of maintaining the status quo.
  • 4 those who R like minded 2 stand up together in unity at local level & continue 2 connect w/ those beyond 2 influence AC/GC.
  • As @turtletrot says, God has given us the resources & people to do the things God would have us do.
  • become more intentional re: spiritual formation of leaders. We dot have BCD to order common pryer but there must be something
  • but what would happen if a large group of people simply refused to abide by GC decisions, but truly discerned/prayed forward?
  • Clergy and laity who come ready to engage in holy conferencing that could lead to transforming our current views
  • communication beyond robert’s rules
  • Continue to offer training & support the dreams for those who are called to church planting #umcnic
  • create alternatives to the usual structures/committees
  • don’t “need” anything really except a bullhorn, a Facebook/Twitter account, a T-shirt, etc. Don’t wait on the powers that be
  • Dry bones had to die before God blew life into them. Maybe the UMC needs to die. We are resurrection people afraid of death?
  • Fill in the 18-18 gap with opportunities to go into the world as a Christian leader (youth – young adult)
  • Focus our efforts on empowering those who are left out to speak and some to step back and allow us to hear the new voices.
  • For people in the AC & GC, including myself to stop talking about being Christ-like and to start BEING Christ-like.
  • for those in leadership to let go of their fear of losing power and affluence…
  • Honestly, I need people who are ready to act instead of just talk. Don’t talk about it, be about it.
  • humility–from everyone…
  • I think Eric Law has some great ideas to offer.
  • I would love to see our ACs pray and work together for 3 days rather than do any buisness. (more work done spiritually)
  • If we are serious about engaging a younger generation we must engage and make them our holy friends and follow their lead
  • less about resources and more about relationships/open dialogue/speak truth to power and have it be heard.
  • Lets have a year of jubilee from all legislation. Lets take a year to sit & be with eachother &worship God together  @DreamUMC
  • Meet in small listening groups with people that underline different parts of the Bible than we do.
  • Model what we want at AC in our churches. Make sure different constituent groups sit with each other and listen.  #GroundUp
  • Need simply a space, a platform, a soapbox even, to get the word out. That’s up to me … and you
  • Need support of lay and clergy leadership at all levels. Need boldness. Need to remember, “Do not be afraid!”
  • Need to demand, receive, and practice transparency in actions. Stop trying to edit what information we share with others.
  • Need to learn the hard work of dialogue, rather than debate and then put it into practice. JUSTPeace has some great ideas!
  • not be afraid to face difficult questions about absurdly high average UM age but without fatalistic rhetoric of “dying” church
  • Offer space in the schedule of #nicac12 for Holy conversations about #gc2012
  • Offer training to clergy (and lay) on revitalization of local churches #umcnic (already being done, but how can we encourage)
  • partner w/another conference outside US. Partner=something other than tossing money their way and patting ourselves on back.
  • recognition that we can no longer be the church in the same way as we have for the past 100 years.  #baggage
  • Recommend the US become a Central Conference to put it on an equal playing field with the rest of the world.
  • Room for frank conversations: both with one another and with conference leadership. Not just listening, but two-sided.
  • Stop being afraid of difficult conversations. Stop asking, “what if” and do it!
  • Stop waiting for leadership to come from the top down. Embrace the grassroots movement.  #Pentecost
  • Stop worrying about the little things to ‘always do it that way’ and start embracing the world we live in
  • The #umcnic young adult committee has done hard work to encourage YA to be a part of AC committees. Still areas to improve.
  • The #umcnic Young Adult committee will also come to your local churches to talk about ministry with young adults!
  • there should be mini AC sessions (maybe at district level) b4 AC, & more convo sessions at AC… Not sure but it’s start
  • time building relationships…mission project maybe?
  • Time, physical space, flesh and blood mentors, hope, and humility…
  • to seek to build relationships and community rather than allies and “sides”
  • training on how to listen, how we are still embodying colonialism
  • Truly Open Minds, authentic relationships formed through shared experiences, and willingness to try something new
  • We also need those who have been silenced in hurtful ways to start speaking boldly again.
  • we could invite fruitful African leaders to take over our Agencies and Conference leadership positions.
  • we need allies in places of power to practice the step-up/step-back leadership model so more voices can be heard at the table
  • We need more spaces (actual and metaphorical) for open dialogue where everyone’s voice is valued and listened to.
  • We need to simplfy and streamline our processes. We have too many hoops. Define what matters. Cut the fat.
  • We need to step up our discipleship and care for all people. Also need to learn our Wesleyan heritage and draw from it.
  • :We need leaders w/ backbones. The only reason there are backroom deals are when people are afraid of the light. Elect backbone.
  • :What or who do you need as resources to make this (your answer to Q1) happen/convey this message?
  • –I need the #wvumc to find a theology and a passion for service, organize based on effectiveness. We need a new plan 4 SoWV

Q3: How are you going to connect with other people (not just young adults or twitter users!) to carry on conversation and work?

  • partner with others who have the vision for an open church and pray into a new reality
  • #jwchat starting next Monday. 8 weeks of reading Wesley’s Sermons in community and discussion on Twitter http://andrewconard.com/2012/05/28/reading-john-wesleys-sermons-in-community-on-twitter/
  • (cont) This includes colleagues in central conferences. We need a US central conference but not at expense of current CC’s
  • Already started. Intentional 1-on-1 conversations w/ those interested in fixing broken system, across age & theological lines.
  • Authentic relationships. Not power games. Not entitlement. Pitching in and helping out, and treating others as I would want to
  • connecting people w/ passion w/ others w/ same passions, build teams, move deeper into mission, loving people, change the world
  • for those interested in connecting w/ others on immigration misional work, let me know!!
  • I really believe this is already happening, but it gets lost to left-right conflicts. I see strong mission happen all the time
  • I’m lucky, I have to expand the organizing work we do at #GBCSUMC on immigration and ending mass incarceration, it is working!
  • keep the conversation going in your local church, AC, groups & committees you are involved with, and find others to work with
  • Network with other progrssives
  • preaching the gospel is a start. Acting it is the next step.
  • Start at local church, Use my voice, pray.
  • w/ open/loving/faithful heart dialogue w/ others including (& especially) those who have different perspectives from my own
  • we need to be sharing our stories with folks. Not just the frustrations but where we have hope
  • Work to get real listeners across spectra elected as delegates, board members & bishops
  • working nationally (I wish globally) through social media; working locally in building relationships. Hosting a  lunch at ac
  • Ok follow me on this one: what if we printed little cartoons in small booklets that helped make our point and gave them out?
  • Use Wesley class meetings & bands to build practices of evangelization, scriptures, salvation, & justice,this greatly empowers!
  • #umcnic YA are on many admin committees to be involved in many conversations about Church(coming from different perspectives.)
  • #umcnic YA will also have a pancake party to have conversation about #nicac12 & #gc2012
  • #umcnic young adults have lunch during #nicac12 & will be talking about #gc2012 & the experience from different perspectives
  • …that can mean coming together w/o symbols that are perceived as aggressive & confrontational to some. (e.g. rainbow gear)
  • @DreamUMC my Pentecost Sunday sermon (posted on my blog) this week was a start, inviting the entire church to dream.
  • @stephenyork “Unplanned Parenthood of the church” I love it!
  • A young adult is on the #umcnic nominations committee & has continued the strategic work of the committee to place YA
  • actively listening and engaging everyone to find common ground to build on
  • All ministry begins at the local level. You have to begin where you are. Engage conversations with those different from you.
  • As a young adult yound, speak up against/for every resolution at AC until the age disparity is adjusted…
  • As an ext. minister, working and ‘kept’ outside those walls, i need to start poking from my direction as well to initiate conv
  • develop intentional and personal evangelism to grow our inclusive churches
  • Do the work of ministry in our communities. Change them first, and then bring others along!
  • Dream, Pray, Discern, Pray, Converse, Pray, Just do it, Pray…
  • educating people in the local church who are passionate about BEING the church
  • engage outloud in loving and caring relationships with many – influence and be influenced – through transforming power of God
  • Gen X & Y clergy have begun organizing to create a safe unfiltered space for dialogue. We hope to expand to invite others soon
  • go 2 AC, have intentional conversations, ask questions , engage @CandlerTheology students, don’t leave, don’t quit
  • Having personal conversations with clergy I know; sharing the vision, inviting to dream and act with us
  • How are you going to connect with other people (not just young adults or twitter users!) to carry on conversation and work?
  • I need to listen more to marginalized voices and work on ways to amplify them.
  • I need to listen more to marginalized voices and work on ways to amplify them.
  • I think as a pastor the most important/powerful thing I can do is nurture faithful & open disciples in congregations I serve.
  • I think we can see something totally new (in our time) needs to be done. Grassroots awakening.
  • intentionally seek to engage in conversation with people who may not agree.
  • listen first, talk later.  @DreamUMC
  • Making sure that there is at least one person I don’t know at my table for every meal.
  • need 2 replicate these convos at churches & in other settings. Live by example. Move this from just an idea 2 a way of life.
  • need to be educating & incorporating/including new clergy every year; those being licensed & commissioned
  • Not get eaten up by us/them rhetoric. Find common points with those whose visions are different, and genuinely engage. Listen.
  • planning to be intentionally, physically present and ready to engage
  • Prep @IWJNational for a new US-2 missionary and get more local churches into the conversation.
  • Prohibit older people and non-Twitter users from attending AC?!!
  • Read through Wesley’s Sermons and seek meaning in and for our community. Will you join us? Info at http://andrewconard.com/2012/05/28/reading-john-wesleys-sermons-in-community-on-twitter/
  • really be intentional (upon return) about reaching out to folks I don’t always connect with. They have dreams too!
  • recruit people to attend school of xian mission, topic: immigration and bible. Book keys on hospitality
  • Relationships! Real, actual relationships. (The introverted me finds this hard, but it is totally necessary.)
  • Start answering the “why” question first, then more on to the how and what. Our beliefs should be central to any YA endeavor
  • start class/band meetings soon. This was my own personal idea, nobody else’s.
  • Starting class / band meetings soon. Not asking permission, just doing it. Tho I think I just informed my pastor.
  • Step out of institutional boundaries of UMC to be the CHURCH. My bish suggested it. Rocks my world when I agree with him…
  • That’s the rub. Most of the UMs didn’t care during #gc2012 and they surely don’t now. The hope was for some spark of change.
  • Touch base more with my Lay Ministry Cohort in between sessions. Develop those relationships throughout the conference.
  • Trust in the slow work of God. Dark night of the church’s soul is ok. Do the work of the dark night.
  • We need inspired, prophetic voices blogging openly about change. Much like the Federalist Papers advocated for a new US.
  • We will try to gather people during the #iaumc2012 and at the local church level.
  • Wear more bow ties. Seriously, they’re a great conversation starter. #totallyserious
  • I concur that churches need to poke through their walls and ‘be who they are in there…out here.’

Q4: Where do you see opportunity for lasting change/action within your annual conference (the body, not the mtg) & beyond?

  • Best opp for change #wvumc is in addressing pressing needs in WV: drug abuse, lack of hope, lack of unity.
  • Local churches banding together for kingdom-minded mission work is the best way to organize change within the AC structures.
  • (cont) If we keep standing up and being honest about who we are & how we feel God calling us to be UMC, there’s a bright future
  • a real need to strengthen the connection in meaningful ways and use our scriptural heritage as a place to start
  • By relying on the power of God and not ourselves.
  • clergy who are using relationships and conversations to shape decisions and next generation–w/o seeking attention for selves
  • every church start feeding the hungry in our communities.
  • Hope: a growing movement of people who are choosing to be faithful to the Gospel.
  • I have been FLOORED by the response of those who have stepped up to lead, even if the AC seems to not want new leaders.
  • i think we need to start measuring churches work in the world not just rather they pay apportionments
  • I truly believe lasting change will occur when we present Jesus to people, not ourselves.
  • MT @mmiofsky : …be bold in your setting… experiment, fail, then experiment again… // take risks! ( e.g. @uvchurch )
  • OK, i am repeating myself, but I see change through the work of local churches that are part of rapid Response Teams!!
  • To be perfectly honest I don’t see change coming in my AC until some people die out and others take their place
  • Unusual partnerships that pull existing churches out of their comfort zones in local and global mission and evangelism
  • Voices that were silent now speaking; new people joining the conversation from the center. This is an opportunity for new life
  • we do celebrate mission but i think it needs to be the bigger focus
  • I think the poor, the hurting, the disenfranchised are both within and outside of our walls
  • w/ vital congregations that share gospel salvation, grow (numbers and as disciples), & do ministry w/among those on the margins
  •  lasting change from models of those living on the ground and working through the challenge and muck! local church and others
  • empower new leaders from the grassroots (especially young people!) so that new voices can come to the table. Fresh take…
  • holy conferencing model being used in Northern VA area for last couple of years. Contact @preacherm3
  • I see #pentecost fire moving in the ACs next door that will hopefully spread to mine.
  • I see lasting change in my AC coming from local churches who work with their communities to transform them with love!
  • I think lasting change is poss thru initiatives like @philschroeder’s #start, & create of culture of living w/ means of grace
  • in cooperative vital ministries between local churches People talked a lot about silos at #gc2012, & that’s on local level too
  • In fellow UMs who know another world is possible & are already moving to make it come about w/ or w/out the umc
  • In organizing churches around immigration the ability to connect to one another, share resources, be connectional
  • In our active, inclusive and passionate conference UMW, there on the right track
  • in the amazing young clergy coming into our conference. In the cracks & crevices where an openness to change can take root.
  • in the growth of Elaine Heath’s New Day, Epworth projects and other new monastic expressions rapidly taking hold
  • In the mirror.
  • lasting change comes when those who always lead step aside to allow others to do the same. (myself included!)
  • Lasting change comes when we empower the laity to do the work of church alongside clergy. We are too clergy-reliant!
  • Lasting change will only come from God alone.
  • let’s bust out some diversity during episcopal elections
  • Like @eaquick said #unyac is only two, so we really need to be intentional about embracing our newness!
  • Networks that decide to be mpre “conferency” and connectional and less “managery” and congregationalist/isolationist
  • No more fear mongering. Ever.
  • Redefine “vitality” and spend our energies focused on the many amazing ministries that are thriving beyond the “vital box”
  • Redefine local mission field with a Wesleyan vision of poor and marginalized. Wesleys went to those who needed the good news.
  • Remember always “Though we cannot think alike, may we not love alike?” #johnwesley
  • So encouraged by www.gardenbig community gardens, church working alongside neighbors  hospitality and #foodsecurity
  • There is currently 1 YA as a chair of an AC committee in #umcnic…we need more! #factcheck? (I think just me!)
  • think we need a strong grassroots movement to challenge the status quo & faithfully refocus on living the Word
  • We need to continue to plant churches! #harvest2020 #umcnic
  • We really need to work on what it means to be a disciple. Lots of people do good committee work, but can’t pray in public.
  • We’re just 2 yrs into existence in @uppernewyork. We have all opportunity 4 new creation we could want. So easy 2 do same old.
  • When we learn to speak with love and hope, rather than fear and hate.
  • Where do you see opportunity for lasting change/action within your annual conference (the body, not the mtg) & beyond?
  • I one congregation at a time that takes seriously God’s call to new life.
  • think of mission not just as something we go “away” & do but as reaching out 2 ppl all around us who don’t look or think like us
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